Wednesday, April 15, 2009

How are these problems with evolutionary theory being dealt with recently?

1. When a human shoe print was found smashing a trilobite, an index fossil of 500 million years ago, geologists all over the world were asked, %26quot;How could a human wearing shoes step on a trilobite when trilobites lived 500 million years ago. man didn%26#039;t get here until 3 million years ago, and people didn%26#039;t begin wearing shoes until 5000 years ago? At that time the idea was either aliens wearing shoes visited earth that long ago or a trilobyte shaped like a shoe fell on a smaller one


2. Professors and museum guides have actually said that we can know age of the earth%26#039;s layers by the index fossils we find in them and we can know the age of index fossils by the layers they are found in. Huh?


3. An index fossil dated at 570 million years ago was recently found living in the South Pacific.


4. All over the world Petrified trees are found goung straight up through several layers of rock. Did they grow millions of years through rock searching for the sun?


5.Human embryo drawing lie of 1869

How are these problems with evolutionary theory being dealt with recently?
1 The trilobites are real (Elrathia kingii), but the %26quot;sandal print%26quot; is a spall pattern. The heel of the Meister print is not worn down but is caused by a long crack running across the rock. It lacks the diagnostic features that a real sandal print has. There are many other weathering features in the area identical in character to the so-called sandal prints but in a variety of shapes. They do not occur in a trail but as isolated prints (Conrad 1981).





Geochemical processes, such as solution penetrations, spalling, and other weathering, have been well documented to produce such features on the shales of the Wheeler Formation, where the prints were found (Stokes 1986).





2) Wrong the age of the earth can be dated from rocks, the universe around us and fossils. Fossils themselves can be dated.





3) Clarify your index fossil. Cockroaches are thought to be around 350 million years old according to the oldest fossil records. There should be instances of species surviving that long.





4) Of course petrified trees should be found %26quot;growing%26quot; through rock. Rock and deposits are continually laid down. They didn%26#039;t grow through rock but were surrounds and covered by layers of material that eventually formed rock.





5) The embryo lie was not science but plain fraud. Science detects its own fraudsters. That is not evidence aginst evolution.





EDIT* I think I know which index fossil you are referring to. The The Coelacanth and the argument used is why has it not evolved. The answer is relatively simple. Why have Chimps not evolved so much. Take it as having two groups of the same fish. One living in deep water and one in shallow. Both live on the bottom (bottom feeders) The group in shallow water makes the move to land (much like an eel can move long distances over land). That living in deep water has no opportunity to do so so remains in the sea as a bottom feeder. It is much like apes and man having a common ancestry! Man evolved because of certain opportunities and conditions while apes went in a different direction.
Reply:This is a list straight out of the creationists%26#039; handbook, consisting of blatantly false and misleading statements and revealing perfectly stunning ignorance of evolution and how it works. You should be ashamed of yourself for repeating such lies; better yet why don%26#039;t you actually read a real science book some day?
Reply:None of these things are problematic for evolution. It has too much evidence supporting it.
Reply:These are not problems as far as I know. Just %26quot;unknowns%26quot;
Reply:I can answer at least a few of these off the top of my head... Some of the answers are just simple logic and critical thinking.





Response to #2.) We can know the age of the Earth%26#039;s layers by finding index fossils then radiocarbon dating them. Once the age has been established for the fossil we can conclude the age of the surround rock layers. Certain layers below the earth can be determined by global events that have left evidence of their occurrence. So, any fossils found within those layers can help establish a time frame for which the events happened and creatures existed. Really your statement is missing a comma; they are two separate statements.





Response to 3.) Just because a fossil is found does not mean that the creature does not exist. It simply means that %26quot;a%26quot; creature died at some point in time.





4.) Events can occur which can bury trees upright, and there are trees that can grow in rocks (however, I do not believe that to be the case dealing with your particular statement).





I am not really sure of the other two. I really cannot say anything about them. I haven%26#039;t heard about them, nor have I any reasonable explanation for them, although I am sure one does exist.
Reply:You really need to come up with something better than hoaxes, lies and irrelevancies if you want to seriously challenge evolution.
Reply:Some links would be nice.
Reply:You are so right about evolution, there is a creator of all that is good and all intellegence comes from his greatness...The science of radiological deterioration is also made by him to look like the Earth is Billions of years old in order to fool everyone. The truth is that the universe was indeed created by his holiness FSM not much more than 100 years ago.
Reply:I will answer one, the first one. You can google the rest if you honestly want to find the answers.








While the trilobites are real, the sandal print is not a sandal print, it does not even really look like one would expect it to look like. With such logic as the one you put forth, we can also assume that clouds that look like elephants are really elephants. There are several other occurrences of this with the same feature in that area, which look even less like a sandal print.
Reply:1. the shoe myth.


http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC...


2.most of the creationists desperate attempts at spreading disinformation about dating are answered here.


http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list....


3. ditto.


4. i think you%26#039;ll find the sediment settled around the trees during different flooding events.


5. what do you mean by that?
Reply:None of those are actual problems. The first one is a hoax perpetuated by people like you, and the rest make no sense.
Reply:To simply answer your question, they are not being dealt with, people seem not to really care and believe what they want to believe anyways.


To get into it a little deeper, I have heard the first one discounted as a rock leaving the print, but there have even been records found from ancient south american cultures that did the drawings in the earth that can only be seen from the air that talk about a time when man and dinosaurs co-existed. They found a very long history of those people written on painted rocks over there.


I believe that humans are actually more than one species, more like a group of species from one particular time period that has had enough time to evolve into our modern forms and cross breed. After all, our DNA is very similar to every other living creatures, there is something like a 3% difference between us and apes and we share something like 75% or more of dna with all creatures. Perhaps there isn%26#039;t really a such thing as human afterall, it could be like saying all plants are marijuana, when clearly by the looks of them, they%26#039;re not, but they do share many characteristics.


We can know the age of some things by carbon dating, but even then we need a sample who%26#039;s specific age is known to compare it to. I don%26#039;t know what you%26#039;re referring to in number 5, but humans really don%26#039;t know a damn thing about themselves or where we come from, but we sure like to think that we do. I don%26#039;t think the idea of %26quot;aliens%26quot; or a foreign intelligence coming here millions of years ago is really discountable, there is obviously something that happened to make us different from every other creature that roams the earth, let alone able to create the things we do. Religion is good at discounting things like that, but religion offers very vague answers to our existence, especially when we find evidence to contradict the things we have been told over the years. The truth may never be known, but it sure is interesting to think of all the possibilities that may lie beyond our current knowledge of history.
Reply:Try the science section
Reply:http://www.expelledthemovie.com/
Reply:Just put it in God aka The Creators hands.


The truth will eventually be known.





Consider some of the things in the Bible like towns- kings etc. that were undiscovered have slowly but surely been uncovered and proven.





Science is not an exact science.


But God is.





Hang in there
Reply:1. Link it...show print? How on earth wasn%26#039;t it a rock or something else hard...no no no it HAD to be human shoe that smashed the trilobite. GET REAL


2. We know the age of the earth by radiometric dating. The farther down the geologic strata the older the fossils and the stratas closer to the top have the younger fossils. This is due to the law of superposition.


3. That%26#039;s neat. Link it. If a species is nearly perfectly adapted to a certain environment it wouldn%26#039;t need to evolve. Like crocodiles, they haven%26#039;t changed in millions of years.


4. Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polystrate_...


5. %26quot;Modern biology rejects the literal and universal form of Haeckel%26#039;s theory%26quot;


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recapitulat...
Reply:First - experts have shown that that %26quot;footprint%26quot; found in the fossil is not a footprint. It only resembles a footprint, but since part of the structure is missing no one can say what it is. However, IF it is a footprint(actually a sandal-print) than what? - was the person walking on the bottom of the ocean - which is where trilobites lived!? Enough said!
Reply:Why is a science question in the Fables and Nonsense category?
Reply:I Like It !
Reply:If you read the first part of Genisis clearly the Bible talks about life before Adam and Eve.But this is really what is important.Eternity.



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